TIMOTHY L. SMITH IS INTERVIEWED ON WRNG RADIO

APRIL 26, 1972

 

Timothy Smith (Tim) will be questioned by WRNG Radio host and callers.

 

 

Host:  We have a child prophet in Atlanta.  Welcome to WRNG Radio and fill us in a little bit on what you do.  I’m very interested.

 

Tim:  Well, I am a medium, which means I work in mediumship within a specific area, primarily which is trance mediumship.  There are very few other people in the country that are recognized as working in this area.  We are presently a group of people that have come together and have incorporated to try and found in the Atlanta area some kind of organization that would include a library of metaphysical and occult materials, religious materials, where a person that wanted to know more about any of these areas could come and do their research, ask their questions and hopefully experience with us the type of phenomena that we experience in our group.

 

Host:  Tim, I know that you are probably the brunt of a lot of criticism that mediums have been labeled as frauds and charlatans and so forth.  How do you overcome this image?  How do you prove to be genuine as opposed to a fraud?

 

Tim:  Well, I have found in studying other mediums in investigation of my own, and I was in investigation before I even found out I had a mediumistic gift, that most people who are proven to be fraudulent are people who originally start out with a very good gift and this is either misused or they feel they must manifest this gift with some kind of regularity, which they cannot do all the time, and when they cannot fulfill their obligation of presenting phenomena for someone, they kind of lapse into a trickery or fraudulence.

 

Host:  All right then, you call yourself a legitimate medium, call this a gift.  Now I ask this question just about to everybody.  I had Ruth Montgomery on at one time and she said she communicated with Arthur Ford.  Can you indeed talk with people who have died?

 

Tim:  I do believe that communication with the dead is and does exist.  Of course, everything depends upon a specific case where this might happen.  We do feel that, and I do feel first and that I have proof of survival after death, and that I have communicated with people that are known to be deceased.  This kind of evidence primarily, in my form of mediumship, is that the relative, or the sitter, was a person that you are using or trying to give the manifestation of mediumship to, recognizes the voice and the information that comes through that could not be known by the medium.

 

Host:  How do you go about going into a trance?  What do you do at a séance?

 

 

 

Tim:  Well trance has to be broken down into several categories because there’s light trance, a medium type of trance state or consciousness and deep trance state.  And I work in the deep trance condition.  In this state I do not recall.  But with it, we find that ordinarily the way a person goes into a trance state is through their own personal hypnotic suggestion that they will enter into a trance state or through a spiritually induced trance.  Meaning that you are compelled to pray yourself into a trance state or meditate yourself into this state where the communication can transpire.

 

Host:  I’m Bob Mohan and your guest this afternoon is Mr. Tim Smith, a medium.  A man that is convinced there’s a life after death and has communicated with some of them.  We’ll get right to our phones.  Hello, you’re on WRNG Radio.

 

Caller:  Hello, Mr. Smith?

 

Tim:  Yes?

 

Caller:  As an orthodox church member and yet reading all the things that we find now about the psychic field, I’m pulled into this by interest and also the growth of all the Pentecostal things that are going on.  And how do I adjust all this into something I can be comfortable with and believe that it’s all right?

 

Tim:  Well, I can give you my interpretation of certain things, or my opinion as to how you might be able to do this in that I see a greater coming together of not only the organized religions, or the orthodox religions, with the outside people who are interested in phenomena as well as their basic spirituality.  But I also see that a person trying to find out, trying to be a truth seeker themselves, will inevitably come to the conclusion that certain things hold truth; whereas certain things that have been accepted in the past seem to no longer be as substantial to the individual as they once were.

 

We find that many people are coming out of the orthodox church into a spiritualist type of thinking because they are not finding in the church what originally was set up to be the organization of the church with the charismatic gifts freely manifested.  And many organizations such as RET Sessions do have the charismatic gifts fully manifested from prophecy to the speaking of tongues and so on.

 

We feel that a person’s own inner-guidance and that their feeling will lead them to the correct point according to their level of evolvement or development and they will find a peace as the Bible describes as the peace that passeth the understanding when they’re in the correct place and when they’re in the right attunement either to the orthodox situation or to small prayer groups and study groups that are coming together, or an organization or incorporation like RET.

 

Caller:  Thank you.

 

Host:  Tim, who have you communicated with?  Is that a valid question?

 

Tim:  What do you mean specifically?

 

Host:  A séance.  You go into a deep trance, do you have any recollection of talking …

 

Tim:  I have no recollection, but we are very careful to tape record everything that was done.  In fact, all this material is under a copyright and I do have the opportunity later to go over the tape and hear what was said.  Primarily, we communicate and I communicate with my own guides and controls – one woman and two men – who speak with their own voices, with their own vocabularies, with their own intellects and ideas and philosophies.  Occasionally, in this type of setting a relative or a friend that is discarnate or existing on the other side will try to reach one of the people in the audience or that have come there to share this phenomena, this manifestation to see it, and in that case, ordinarily, they speak through my control.  One of my controls will describe the person; give you some kind of evidence as to who it is if not naming the person, specifically.

 

Host:  Is this a frightening experience?

 

Tim:  It’s not frightening to me.  It may be to some people, especially to those that are unsure of themselves and of this type of communication.  It usually is not, though.

 

Host:  Have you ever seen a ghost or experienced what would appear to be a ghost?

 

Tim:  I have, since childhood, been aware of spirit entities and I have always seen these as people.  I do not see them as transparencies or anything like that.  But in my investigation before coming into this work as a medium, I was able to, at times in different houses with different people, see materializations from mediumistic people or see the entities themselves that were there in house or on the location.

 

Host:  But other people could not see them.  Is that correct?

 

Tim:  The people that were with me saw them as well as I did.  As a matter of fact, my attention was called toward these forms or entities by other people … all the time.

 

Host:  Boy, that would make my skin crawl, I am sure.  Hello, you’re on WRNG Radio with Mr. Tim Smith.

 

Caller:  Good afternoon, Mr. Smith.  On Sunday morning, one of the leading ministers in our city conducts at WRNG and I found that there is growing interest and curiosity and great need for people to know about reincarnation and why it was removed from the Bible and also, there are people calling in inquiring about the charismatic gifts.  Would you please explain this?

 

Tim:  I’ll try to explain this as best that I can.  I embrace, not only the theory but what I feel is the reality of reincarnation.  But it is a different form than the far eastern philosophies teach reincarnation and karma.  I do believe that man exists and through a string of successive lifetimes reaches his goal of at-one-ment and perfection and then returns to the God Force from whence he came.  This is a thing that has been knocked about back and forth within the framework of Christianity as well as within other religions.  If we kick history, we will find that at the great council meeting around the year 1210 AD the historic Christian church decided to take out the doctrine from their teachings because they realized that on the other side of the world people, primarily Buddhist that they considered Pagan, were also teaching and embracing the same doctrine.

 

Through researching many of the old scriptural texts and from the new light that’s been shed on many subjects by the Dead Sea Scrolls, we and many other people like us are now led to believe that it was a substantial thing within the early Christian church as well founded as it was prior to the Christian era by the ancient mystical Kabbala of Judaism.  I think more people are growing more and more interested in reincarnation because it is a self-explanatory type of thinking.  It allows a person great freedom, it explains to them reasons why they are experiencing the difficulties that they are or the joys that they are having.  And a lot of people question themselves over and over as to why they’re experiencing these things.

 

To the subject now of the charismatic gifts:  as I explained before, they seem not to be utilized as much as they were in the early church in our society today.  A lot of this is coming back into the church however, because people outside the frameworks of the orthodox church have experienced the gifts through the baptism of the Holy spirit and by other various and sundry means and now are returning to the church trying to tell them of their revelation, of their gift and wanting to share this with the church members.

 

Caller:  Mr. Smith, can a person with average intelligence, through proper training and studying, develop psychic abilities?  Or is this a gift only certain individuals are born with?

 

Tim:  Certain people are born with tendencies toward being psychic in any one of several different areas.  But the average person has an innate sensitivity because of the soul of man and its properties.  With the right constructive education and techniques, ordinarily part if not all of this psychic ability can be brought to the conscious level of the mind and can be utilized by the individual.

 

Host:  Is death something to be feared, Tim?

 

Tim:  I don’t think so, and I feel that more and more people today are realizing this because of different philosophies that are now being accepted and different ways of thinking.  It’s simply a change or transmission of energies where they are transmuted from one form to another.  The soul, I believe, survives.  I believe the soul is the active part of man’s existence, that is the essence of Divinity within man and when death, physical death, happens, it is simply a transitional state from having a physical vehicle or body to not having one and being more fluid and able to operate in other spheres, or even in this one, in this dimension.

 

Host:  Hello, you’re on WRNG Radio.

 

Caller:  I have a question I want to ask Tim.  My husband died about two years ago and I became quite interested in Edgar Cayce and the things that he teaches.  And I have one thought, single thought, and the thought was this:  Could I communicate and eventually one night, I don’t know if it was in a dream or what, I could sense a communication or something that didn’t seem that it was a dream, that he was telling me that what I was doing was dangerous.  Can it be dangerous?

 

Tim:  It can be to a certain extent, but not ordinarily.  There are certain avenues that even a seeker often can get entangled in or be on that are somewhat dangerous, such as using a Ouija Board which opens your consciousness to any random entity that wants to come through and make a statement to you, true or false or otherwise, and misleading or guiding you in the right direction.  Automatic handwriting, this is another form that has to be done by a person highly trained or experienced in that field or it can be a dangerous thing.  But simply studying and growing spiritually yourself through being exposed to these things and trying to develop your charismatic gifts, this has no danger.

 

Caller:  You can do it alone, you think?

 

Tim:  You can do it alone.  It’s a lot easier to do it with other people because you get the emotional support from them, you get the support of their vibration, you get their helpful criticisms and many other things that will help to develop you.

 

Caller:  Okay, thank you.

 

Host:  Tim, do you honestly believe that you existed before this particular life that you’re living right now?

 

Tim:  I do, just as I believe that any human being at random has existed many times before, that no one is here for the first time.

 

Host:  Well, where does it all start?  I mean, why aren’t we conscious of it?  Why can’t we seem to realize this?

 

Tim:  In the philosophy that I adhere to, an explanation as to why you do not recall this is that the subconscious mind is separated from the conscious by some type of protective veil because there are many experiences that you would not like to recall, and this veil often, and usually, conceals the good information as well.  Very few people have recall of previous lives.  I do to some extent.  In the philosophy that I follow, we are taught and led to believe that man did go through an evolutionary process, or the process of evolution.  That when soul, when the spirit that came to the earth, that eventually would come into the body of man, first appeared on the scene, that it was tied to a mineral kingdom, it evolved through the mineral kingdom into the plant kingdom, through this into the lower animalistic forms of life and then into man as the progressive cycle of not only man’s intelligence, but man’s spirituality.  And once you are a human being, you do not have transmigration of soul, you do not revert to a lower state, only higher, or the same.

 

Caller:  I have two questions that I want to ask you, but I feel that you just answered one.  The first is, and when you refer to reincarnation, you refer to the fact that when we do come back, we only come back as a human being, correct?

 

Tim:  Once you acquire that state, you only come back as that same or higher.

 

Caller:  There’s no such thing as the animal or cows or … it’s just as a human being?

 

Tim:  Well, like I said now, we may have evolved through the lower animal forms of life to man.  Once you are man, you stay man or progress further on the scale.

 

Caller:  Alright, that answered my question.  My second question was, um, I know a little bit about the subject, as much as when I was a young girl, I had a family who believed my cousin was a medium and I remember that my mother and my father, they sat up with their séances and after all, they were not fooling anybody.  They were sincere with this and I was aware of it.  And it was my thought that what I had learned through them was it’s only the good spirits, only the very good that have the ability come back to speak to you, like through the trumpet or whatever medium you use, I don’t know, but is that the truth?  Do only the good spirits have the power, in other words, for you to talk to, right?

 

Tim:  I don’t think so, because many people are misled as well as by false prophets, they are misled by spirit impersonation.  Often the spirit will come through claiming to be someone or something that it is not.  And it will bring through false teachings, untruths.  This is where the charismatic gift of discernment must be utilized.  Whether you have verification, inner-feeling of truth, or where it is evidenced enough to you personally that you have absolute belief in it, this is one of the dangers that can be involved by the novice attempting any of these techniques without a background in it or someone to help them or watch them and can be the watchdog on them while they’re participating in these activities.

 

Host:  Thank you, ma’am.  Tim, what is the next world like?  Do you have any conception of it?  It isn’t obviously, well maybe not so obviously, the pearly gates and the mansions of gold and so forth?  What could people look forward to?

 

Tim:  Well I will say this, that I have never heard of a communication coming through any medium where heaven was described as our biblical scriptures describe it unless it was done so symbolically.  The state of consciousness that you go into after this existence depends upon your advancement and your purity with progressive soul growth.  One can go into what is called the astral states.  Upon these astral states, or inner planes, it is what you think that becomes a reality to you in that state.  If you expect to be rewarded with heaven, your own inner ability or soul quality will create this illusion for you.  On the other hand, if you expect eternal torment, your soul quality will create this illusion for you.  And you stay in that deluded state until such time as another light being, another soul influences you enough to pull you out of it, or until it is time for you to reincarnate to learn other lessons about life which, hopefully, will lead you into this awareness that man does have the ability to create his happiness or unhappiness, and the soul carries through this ability and creates its happiness or unhappiness, also.

 

Host:  This is generally what Ruth Montgomery says in her book “A World Beyond” that it’s infinite freedom and bliss with beautiful, vivid colors and sounds and so forth.  This was the crux of her descriptions as coming from Arthur Ford.  Are you in agreement with this, or in disagreement?

 

Tim:  Somewhat and to a degree.  I imagine it is this way and from the information that I have been in contact with in my personal seeking, I would assume that the astral states, the inner planes are very much as you have described it, but there are higher and other planes, seven, with astral states between each one of these planes.  And I feel that life is different upon each one of these and different entirely than life in the astral state.

 

Caller:  Mr. Smith?  I have three questions to ask.  We’ve read so many novels where astro spirits, or something or other, who’d died dramatically come back to inhabit bodies that move into the house unsuspectingly.  Is this possible?

 

Tim:  Let me answer these one at a time so I don’t get them mixed up.  I’ll answer that question first:  Yes.  And in such an instance is called possession.  There are entities, we consider them lowly evolved entities who feel that they have not had their just reward or their chance and try at life and its accomplishments, who refuse to let themselves be carried into other levels of consciousness or other states and they cling to the earth.  And these are earth-bound spirits.  They do try to find a body that they can overwhelm more than they can control.

 

Host:  You’re making reference to “The Exorcist”, I imagine?

 

Caller:  Well, that and several other popular novels.  Then this is possible?

 

Tim:  It is.  And the rites of exorcism go on every day somewhere in the world.

 

Caller:  Yes, my church believes in it.  But let me get on to the second question.  What about voodoo?  Is it for real?  I sort of seen it work, but I’m not real positive.  I don’t believe in it, but I mean I’ve seen people who do and it works.  And what is voodoo in relation to … I don’t know what?

 

Tim:  Well it is a situation of mind control, concentration control.  Man has a tendency to send out one of two things – positive thoughts or negative thoughts.  Positive thoughts or negative thoughts are sent out by the average individual when they are not even conscious of what they’re doing.  These thoughts are things and they are not even conscious of what they’re doing.  These thoughts are things and they do cause action and reaction.  Now, a positive thought is in line with prayer which is an intercession for someone else or for yourself.  This is called a positive polarity.  The other end of this is a bad thought, a negative thought against an individual or even a death wish type of circumstance which many people call curses.

 

A person with a high amount of mind control, visualization and concentration, can channel these negative influences into a person’s life as well as they can channel positive ones like in prayer for another person.  Voodoo is a religion and it does exist.  Many people believe in this and I was recently, in the last several months, in the summer months, it’s been almost a year really now that I think about it, in Haiti to see voodoo as it worked there and to meet with the leaders in Haiti that were working as voodoo priests.  And I’m convinced that it does have evidentuality to it.  That if these people believe it strong enough it can definitely affect them.

 

Caller:  They must believe?

 

Tim:  Uh, not all the time.  As I said, it works around the polarities of whether it’s positive or negative, individuals react differently.

 

Host:  Ma’am, can I respectfully ask that you hold your third question so we can get as many callers as possible?  We have a number holding.

 

Caller:  Well, ask him who he communes with, like Edgar Cayce has a person who communicates with him.

 

Host:  All right, fine.  I imagine she’s asking if you have a particular person that you communicate with.

 

Tim:  First of all let me state that Edgar Cayce did not have an individual that worked through him as a control, his state was more a hypnotically induced trance-state.  As I mentioned, there’s several forms of trance and this is one of them.  In a spiritually induced trance you have communication with discarnate entities that have lived on earth before, where he was working, Cayce was working primarily with his high Self, his Super Consciousness, and tapping into some kind of infinite pool of knowledge or memory bank situation in the cosmic.

 

I communicate with a teacher who is a teacher and doctor of philosophy who stresses metaphysics and gives different techniques for the spiritual growth in revealing to you spiritual realities and truths and impressing certain attributes of the Divine Force, such as love, patience and faith, to you in his teachings.  That’s really about all that I can say.

 

Host:  Okay … I’d like to add that we are getting some kind of response, folks.  So Tim has consented to stay over until 5:00.  So we will get to as many callers as possible.  Hello, you’re on WRNG Radio.

 

Caller:  Hi, could I ask Time a question?  I want to see if he can tell me if, uh.  Hello, I can’t hear you.

 

Host:  Go ahead, go ahead.  Can you hear me now?

 

Caller:  No, I can’t.

 

Host:  You cannot hear me?

 

Caller:  No, I can’t.  Hello?

 

Host:  Well, how can you answer me if you can’t hear me?

 

Caller:  Hello?

 

Host:  Go ahead … Henry, see if you can clear up the line for me.  I’ve put her on hold.  Tim, you’ve said just a few minutes ago that you have actually taken pictures of ghosts or spirits.  Would you elaborate on that for me, please?

 

Tim:  This is not my specific area of interest now, but in the time that I was doing some psychic investigation I did have the opportunity to see, as I said before, many different manifestations and one of these was a ghostly apparition type of form.  I don’t know, I did not go into investigating whether it was a fragmented personality, a thought form, or an actual soul that was trapped in this specific house.  But I did have the opportunity to take Polaroid snapshots around the room of these entities.  They were very clear on the print, clear enough that they could be matched in a photograph album that belonged to the families that have lived in this house.  We had to check through several families to find one that these people could be identified as part of their family.  But eventually we did, and there were quite close resemblances.

 

Host:  And they did have facial features?

 

Tim:  They have facial features which you clearly could see.  The only thing that was different about these was that they were kind of milky opaque and they faded out from the waist down into points of light near the floor.

 

Host:  Did you hear that Henry?  No, Henry didn’t hear, he refuses even to hear.  Hello, you’re on WRNG Radio.

 

Caller:  Hello? I’d like to know what he does to go into trance to contact the dead.

 

Host:  Yeah, how do you psyche up for something like this, Tim?

 

Tim:  You do prepare for it.  You try to calm yourself emotionally, calm yourself mentally and attune to the vibrations that are about you.  Specifically when you’re in the group situation, you attune to other people’s vibrations; try to allow the auras to blend harmoniously and then I follow a technique that St. Paul mentions in the scriptures of praying yourself into trance.  I pray that I be taken into a state where through me can be revealed some evidentuality to prove survival and possibly to give praise back to the God Force through this manifestation, and it occurs through many levels of consciousness.  You drift deeper and deeper until you reach an awareness the communication is going to be made.

 

Host:  Who is God?  What is God?

 

Tim:  I see and feel that God is an energy force existing in all things that we can see about us; in all living things; in even inanimate objects there is still the God part of it; God is love.  We as mortals, as people living upon earth, have not a true understanding of what love is, but God consists of these attributes, I believe:  Infinite Love, beyond what we can even perceive of as true love, Absolute Wisdom and Universal Harmony.  And these are associated with certain cosmic laws and natural laws that we can see in operation about us, that unless there is harmony in any object, then the molecules will not function and be stabilized to give you the chance to see this expression as a physical object.  Absolute Wisdom is something that we can see in life because people are trying to acquire wisdom in many different areas that find eventually that true wisdom that they can acquire is attunement to the highest source.  And Infinite Love which is not achieved, if Infinite Love was achieved, then we would have the others, the Universal Harmony and Absolute Wisdom.  Only a few master teachers that have come to the earth have achieved any relative degree of this Infinite Love.  But this is the object of earth existence and of existence on the other planes, to evolve toward this Infinite Love.  And when you are pure love, as God the Father is pure Love, then you are reunited with this Force that is God.

 

Host:  In other words, that’s the whole object of the various planes that you talk about, is this achievement of super intelligence, love and …

 

Tim:  Along with the reason for reincarnating upon the earth, until you learn all the lessons that earth can teach you from every different angle.

 

Host:  Hello, you’re on WRNG Radio.

 

Caller:  Hello, I’d like to ask Mr. Smith a question, please.  Mr. Smith, I’ve been listening to you long enough today to believe that you know what you’re talking about.  I read metaphysics and psychic phenomena and what have you, and I believe in it.  But you can answer this question:  Is it possible through a psychic reading to find out something that I don’t know, for instance, my birth date and hour?

 

Tim:  Yes, it is.  This has been done.  I have done this for an individual in fact.

 

Caller:  Then this can be done?

 

Tim:  Yes.

 

Caller:  Because I’ve been standing on my head, I’ve taken an astrology course and I do not know the hour, and I must find out to take my courses.

 

Tim:  Ma’am, a good astrologist can pinpoint it for you, almost.

 

Caller:  I know it can be rectified, but it takes so long.  They go by important dates and things that happened in your lifetime.  I found out in my chart.  But I’ve also heard that you can find out through a psychic reading and that’s what I wanted you to tell me.

 

Tim:  A complete history from the time of your soul creation through every lifetime, including the lifetime that you’re living now, is logged and recorded in what we call Akashic Records that can be tapped by many mediums, clairvoyantly or by way of trance.

 

Caller:  Please say just a little about it again, and I’ll hang up.

 

Host:  We have to move on.  Thank you so much for calling.  Mr. Tim Smith is your guest this afternoon, a medium, and we have a very interesting discussion going on.  And he has consented to staying over for another hour or so that we can get as many questions and comments you’d like to ask.

 

Host:  Hello there.

 

Caller:  Hello, I’d just like to make a comment that as I’ve been new to this about seven years and I agree perfectly with what Mr. Smith has to say, everything he believes.  I’d like to ask him, what his birth sign is, please.

 

Tim:  I’m a Gemini, with Mercury ruling this, it’s the thirteenth.

 

Caller:  I’d like to know if you think, I got into witchcraft, I got off the beam for a while, you know, and these real good friends of mine were very spiritual.  They brought some bad entities to show me one time, which has only been about two months ago. I decided that this is not the thing to do, nothing evil, no hard …

 

Host:  You mean you were a witch?

 

Caller:  Yes, and I had the power called witchcraft, and I was using my powers in the wrong way.  You know what I mean?  And I had to be shown that it was the thing to do.  And I just wanted him to make some comments on this because I think that you are shown when you are not doing the right thing, the thing that you should be doing.  And I’d like to see if he agrees with this or not.

 

Host:  Thank you for calling, ma’am.  Is she for real?

 

Tim:  Possibly.  I know that craft, as I call it, witchcraft as most other people call it, does exist.  One of the most famous witches of our twentieth century, Sybil Leek, I have met and talked with; she operates in mediumship.  She is primarily what we term a white witch, or doing constructive things, to help humanity.  I know that in the Atlanta area there are several covens that are organized.  I am not into this thing specifically.  It’s not my area.  But I will say that one dealing in any form of negativity, whether it is an organization for ritualistic attempts to send and channel your negative thoughts, must bear in mind, these people must bear in mind that everything you send out returns to you.  This is why we suggest, and I suggest that people try to love and try to send out good positive thoughts, because these are the elements of the things that will return to you personally.

 

Host:  All right.  I’m learning something every minute here.  This is WRNG Radio and you’re on the air.

 

Caller:  Mr. Smith is the majority of people tend to follow the charismatic gifts, and where can he be reached?

 

Tim:  Yes, I believe that when the charismatic gifts were mentioned in Corinthians, if you will check this you will find that these are attributes given the soul of man, Divine attributes.  And if these can be brought out, and that every individual, when they seek and when they strongly desire to manifest one of these enough, and are willing to manifest this charismatic gift at any cost, they can develop one, they can utilize one and it will be very rewarding to them and other people, also.  Insofar as how I can be reached, I am the founder of RET Sessions Incorporated and for those listening that might want to find out more information about the organization, they can write to RET Sessions Incorporated, PO Box 761, Decatur, GA and the zip is 30031.  And we will have someone to send you out some information about our group, our organization, and about the library we are trying to pull together, which will be entirely different from any other library in existence today, but very similar to the ancient library in Alexandria, Egypt.

 

Host:  Does that answer your question?

 

Caller:  Yes, thank you very much.

 

Host:  As we told you earlier, Tim will remain to answer questions that those of you are holding on right now, and others that might like to join us in a two-way conversation.  Again, your guest is Mr. Tim Smith, a medium and a rather articulate and very interesting person.  I am fairly enjoying this myself, Tim.  What precisely does RET stand for?

 

Tim:  RET stands for Research, Enlightenment and Truth.  These are things that we, as an organization, feel that people should be aware of.  For instance, we should be seeking spiritually after enlightenment and, of course, after truth, and we feel that you can best utilize enlightenment and you can best be a seeker after truth if you’re researching these two areas.

 

Host:  So this is what you’re making available, a growing library of material so people can seek information?

 

Tim:  That is right.  The library will consist of not only books upon all religions and all pertaining subjects to metaphysics and spiritual aspects, but also tape recordings of different mediums giving readings and trance lectures and regular ordinary lectures so that the seeker can hear a tape recording and as they read a transcript of the text of that recording, and also use the reference book.  So we think it’s fairly well-rounded.  There will be classes conducted in this facility also on different subjects from time to time.

 

Host:       You will invite me to your next séance, won’t you?

 

Tim:  Of course.

 

Host:  Very good.  I will have a report for you people after that.  You’re on the air.

 

Caller:  Good afternoon, Mr. Smith.  A dear friend of mine just had an operation for cancer.  They didn’t know she had it and I want to take her to either a spiritualistic healer, a Pentecostal or faith healer or psychic surgeon, and I wondered which one would give her, mostly likely give her results, try to get her well?  The doctors have given up on her.

 

Tim:  I really couldn’t say exactly where you should take her or to whom you should take her.  If you’re interested in her health and welfare, and you are going to use these avenues that you mentioned, utilize all of them.  I, and many others, do believe in spiritual healing by the laying on of hands as is mentioned in Corinthians.

 

Caller:  Who does that, spiritualist healers?

 

Tim:  Anyone can actually do it if they strongly desire the person to be healed.  There is some amount of healing flow that passes into that person’s body.  It’s usually a person who has practiced this method of healing that can best be utilized in a situation like this.

 

Caller:  Yes, oh yes.  Thank you so much, Mr. Smith.  Good-bye.

 

Host:  Wouldn’t that be sort of tempting fate or interfering with this cosmic force we’ve been talking about, Tim?  In other words, trying to intervene in something that is probably pre-destined anyway?

 

Tim:  Well, as I have said, as God is love and man is trying to grow towards God, and man is evolving into love.  When you love you have mercy, you have compassion for others and their misfortunes.  However, the laws of karma, in respect to reincarnation, also come into focus here.  There are certain people that are suffering because they want to suffer, or because they are ending karmic patterns by enduring a certain affliction, or a certain set of circumstances.  But usually, a person who has any ability insofar as healing, also is sensitive in other areas and can perceive or know by inner-knowing, whether or not the person is to be healed or they are to spend their time working with that person for a healing.

 

Host:  I’ve always been very skeptical of spiritual healing and maybe you’re going to throw some new light on it.  Your guest today is Mr. Tim Smith.  Hello?

 

Caller:  Me and my friends, not too long ago, found a ghost in a place and we been finding out more about him or her or him ever since.  And what do you think about this?

 

Tim:  I don’t know enough about it to make any kind of statement one way or the other.  This is just something that you’ve done.  If you’ve done it, you’ve done it.  If you believe it, you believe it.  If you have evidence that is sufficient for you insofar as accepting this, then you have it.  I can’t really make a statement one way or the other.  I will say again, I do believe in earthbound entities, in hauntings of people, hauntings of houses, buildings and of even tracts of property does exist.  Even in the Atlanta area, this is quite clearly evidenced by certain circumstances that have happened, certain documents that have been signed when people authenticate this sort of thing.

 

Host:  Okay, thank you.  This is WRNG Radio and you’re on the air.

 

Caller:  Hello.  I believe I live in a home that’s haunted and uh, it did not bother me.  I’ve lived here almost ten years, my daughter, it bothered her for years and she moved away and now it’s bothering me at night, and I wake up startled.  I feel like there’s someone in the room and I’m not afraid anymore because I’ve become so accustomed to it.  Mr. Smith, how can I communicate with it?

 

Tim:  First of all, how is it bothering you, other than you’re waking up startled and you feel like someone’s in the room with you?

 

Caller:  Well, at first it terrified me, because it’s something supernatural and now I feel like that someone is trying to tell me something, communicate with me and I actually sat up for the night and tried to talk to it.  But I get no response, nothing.

 

Host:  What does it look like, ma’am?

 

Caller:  I haven’t seen it!  It’s a feeling!

 

Tim:  Possibly your house is not haunted.  Possibly it’s your own guides.  As many people believe that everyone has guardian angels, I and others believe that these guardian angels are guides to us, and there to teach us specific lessons and try to help us in certain ways that we can’t help ourselves.  Like guiding us toward certain lessons that we’re to learn and things like that.  Insofar as communicating with this entity or what you are experiencing, if you had no response at, or in talking to this entity, try to think to it.

 

Caller:  Try to do what?

 

Tim:  Think to it.  Send a thought.  Do not try to put it into words, but send a thought.  Send love and since you do not have fear now, and if you have reached a, some kind of inner-understanding that this is not a negative entity, then you have nothing to fear at all, and you can try to communicate in whatsoever way you can, like I said, through thought or if speaking to this entity has not worked.  But I wouldn’t suggest anything else, like an Ouija board or try to do automatic handwriting or anything like that.

 

Caller:  I heard you mention the Ouija board, do you discredit that?  What did you say; you get negative thoughts from different people?

 

Tim:  I did not discredit some of the information that has come through the Ouija board, for instance, Bridie Murphy, a classic case of reincarnation or living another life, was brought into being through a woman’s mediumistic attempts at a Ouija board situation.  Many other cases have come through and have been verified to some extent by psychic investigators, parapsychologists, where the Ouija board was used.  But ordinarily the case is that you are in contact with lower entities because you are open.  You are allowing yourself to be controlled.  Any entity at random, good, bad or however they might be, can take control of an Ouija board and help you magnetically to push around this little thing that runs along the top of the Ouija board.  And you really have no control over it.  You cannot be sure the information you’re getting …

 

Caller:  Can I ask you one thing about this?  This doctor once owned this house.  So you think something could possibly have happened in this house?

 

Tim:  Well, I don’t know whether anything has happened there or not, but …

 

Caller:  But you don’t seem to think that it’s haunted.

 

Tim:  I’m saying that it could be or it could not be because I’m not personally involved with it.  I have not been there; I have not felt the vibrations of your house.

 

Caller:  Well, I’ve felt the vibrations; that’s the word.  I’ve felt the vibrations, but I did not see anything.

 

Tim:  Well, when I say I have not felt the vibrations, I have not felt the vibration as to where the house is haunted by an entity that is there and should not be, that is pestering you, or whether this is your own guides or controls trying to communicate an idea or a thought or a lesson to you.

 

Host:  Okay, ma’am.  Thank you for calling.  We are in the process of taking an ultimate trip here, ladies and gentlemen, with Tim Smith, and we’re going to have to go back to the more earthbound type of trip with Eastern Airlines …

 

Caller:  Hello.  Okay, I have two things I guess that have bothered me for years.    Frankly, my mother tells about when her son was 19 years old died.  Some of his neighbor women took her back in the small bedroom to lie down.  When they left her, she just lied awake and she just swore that this son came and told her, “Mom, don’t worry now.  I’m already there.”  Of course, I had no way of explaining such a thing, she didn’t either.

 

Tim:  This is a relatively common occurrence to a lot of sensitive people, that they’re either pre-warned of a death by a visitation of some kind of apparition or immediately after the death occurs, they have this feeling or they sense or they actually see this loved one that has transcended with them there in the room, perhaps.  And often they do convey messages that would possibly comfort the bereaved person.

 

Caller:  Yes, now another thing and I’d like you to answer it, delayed answer because I got to run outside and get in my car to hear you.  When my mother was buried, before her death, in the hospital and she had, to her, it wasn’t her that was sick, it was probably somebody else and she said, “Now, don’t break the line.  Don’t break the line.”  We asked her doctor about this and he said she was not delirious, because we could talk to her, she knew all of us and everything.  But he said she’s the lucky one.  She could project, for actually she was really somebody else during this time.

 

Host:  Okay, you can listen on your radio.  In other words, what she was saying is that it was somebody else that was suffering?

 

Tim:  No, I think what she was trying to say is that her mother was experiencing what we call astral projection or the soul being projected from the body.  And I say this because she mentioned, “Don’t break the line.  Or don’t break the cord.”  We refer to the connective part of the astral body or soul to the physical body as a silver cord.  And many people, most people, when they project from their body either in sleep or in a conscious, sub-conscious level, when they can be aware of it and even when people are under anesthetic they often are aware of this, if they are outside their body looking at their own body.  And they inevitably seem to be aware of a thin, silver, white cord that is connecting them to that body that they’re seeing and recognizing as their own.

 

Host:  And then she was urging her not to break the cord so that they will be separated?

 

Tim:  Right.  This is a possibility.  I think if she was making the statement that she was not sick, that others were sick, maybe she was saying or thinking to herself that, or trying to relate to them that others needed their concern, too.  Maybe she was a very loving person.

 

Host:  Here’s someone from Dawsonville.  Go ahead, please.

 

Caller:  Mr. Smith.  Several times this afternoon you have made reference to the Holy Scriptures.  I was wondering if you accept the Holy Scriptures as the Word of God completely and entirely.

 

Tim:  No, I do not, in that I feel these are interpretations of the movement and the desire of God the Father, the Infinite Force, that man has had to channel this information through his own mind, conscious and sub-conscious mind, in different ways and means.  For instance, Paul received many of this things in an altered state of consciousness; John …

 

Caller:  Excuse me, where do you get that idea from?

 

Tim:  Well, Paul states that he prays himself into trance.

 

Caller:  I never read that in the Holy Scriptures!

 

Tim:  Not in the King James version?

 

Caller:  No sir!

 

Tim:  Well, it is there.  I might suggest that you go back and check it because it states that on the Lord’s Day he was alone and prayed himself into trance, it says trance specifically.

 

Caller:  Oh, I know what you are referring to, where the Lord appeared to him.

 

Tim:  Where the heavens were opened up and a sheet was let down to it.  Yes.

 

Caller:  Oh, I see.  Well, what does this do with the part of the scriptures that strictly forbids spiritualism and witchcraft and such?

 

Tim:  Well, now, I have stated that I do not go along with witchcraft, per se.  Insofar as spiritualism, I will say this, that the scriptures, if you will check in the ancient text from where these interpretations came from the Hebrew, the Greek, so and so forth, you will find that these things do not appear in the order or in the wording that we have them now in print.  These were interjected at a time that the Bible was being written and transcribed in the time of King James.  Many things were inserted to go along with the beliefs of that period, the society at that time.  And with the meeting in 1210 of the elders of the church at that time, in Constantinople, certain things were decided and they put in scriptures to fit the occasion.

 

You will find also in researching the history of the biblical text that, for instance, the idea of hell as a burning torment was added much later than the context in which it is found because the Master, Jesus, was pointing to and trying to describe to the people mental anguish.  And He said that a person could have a burning within themselves, like mental anguish that would be likened to a burning pit.  And He pointed to a dump that was kept on fire outside the city primarily all the time for the refuse and getting rid of their waste.  Things like this that are interpreted one way or another or misinterpreted by the negligence of the scribes or at the orders of the person that was having the scriptures interpreted, often caused discrepancies like this.

 

Caller:  Well, I happen to accept the Holy Bible as the inspired Word of God.  And I believe it literally, every word that’s written there is literal.  And I believe in the literal hell, that someday that people could burn there if they don’t accept Christ.

 

Host:  Okay, ma’am.  Thank you so much for calling.  Is it possible that Jesus was sort of ghost that was coming back here to walk on earth to accomplish some goal?

 

Tim:  I don’t think so.  Not in that context.  He was definitely a teacher, a prophet and a very mystic person, very close to the God Force that sent Him specifically to the earth to teach certain lessons, primarily love and compassion, peace and understanding.  And He lived a symbolic life that man can follow.  Because the epic of His existence is also the epic of man’s soul struggling through many lifetimes or even in one lifetime, and having these same things happen.  This is the way I see it.

 

Host:  That’s kind of the way I interpret myself, my own thinking.  I agree with you on that.

 

Tim:  And in death, as He conquered death and returned, I’m not sure whether this was an apparition that came or even whether it was as the disciples identified with because of their mental state at the time and the fact that when He appeared, they did not seem to recognize Him immediately.  It was only after they had been with this form for some time that they recognized it as their friend and their master teacher.

 

Host:  Hello, you’re on WRNG Radio.

 

Caller:  Hello, Mr. Smith.  You’ve spoken of the affective psychic research known religion.  I wonder if you’d comment for a minute about what you see in terms of influence in the area of metaphysics in the now existing science and the field of health, please.

 

Tim:  In the field of health?

 

Caller:  In the field of psychology as it is in schools and institutions of learning.

 

Tim:  Yes.  Well, I am aware that many of our schools, colleges are opening up parapsychology departments.  Their psychology teachers are re-evaluating their foundations and trying to make room for the possibility of many of these things that we’ve discussed today.  They’re researching and finding out certain facts about man’s mind as it relates to the occult, the psychic, the spiritual and I see a great trend toward this as we in RET, Research, Enlightenment and Truth, Incorporated, try to research all of our information to have it authenticated and to have it documented.  Many people in the field of health and medicine are interested in this and I have worked with several.

 

One doctor in particular is interested in studying the pathological effects of trance as this might affect the physical body of the medium during trance or after trance.  And many doctors are taking another look at the information that came through Edgar Cayce as to how this layman, with no medical training, could diagnose with such accuracy cases that he did.  And in talking to a lot of people in the medical field, I even find these people telling me that they have certain feelings about their patients, intuition as to which area to look, as to which area the person might be afflicted in, or where they might find some kind of dangerous symptoms.  They seem to be led by this intuition to a certain degree.  This is the doctors, some of the doctors that I’ve talked to.  Others discount this entirely.  But I think the medical profession is turning and taking another look.  Or they wouldn’t want to be working with organizations to study the parapsychological, the paranormal and the different manifestations that are clearly seen in our area and throughout the country and the world.

 

Host:  Does that answer your question, sir?

 

Caller:  Yes, thank you.

 

Host:  We have so much to learn, don’t we, Tim?

 

Tim:  We really do.  The human mind has never …

 

Host: … and maybe someday we will be able to and understand these things and I can appreciate people like you working in this area.  And college, Duke University is noted for its research into this.

 

Tim:  Dr. Rhyne (sic) made many great contributions toward this work.

 

Host:  Your guest this afternoon is Mr. Tim Smith, a noted medium here in the Atlanta area and we invite your calls and comments.  You’re on the air.

 

Caller:  Hello?  You’re on my favorite subject.  I got one question.  I have a book that was published in 1863, “The History of the Supernatural”, published by J. B. Lippencott.  It sure is some book to read and it covers back as far as you can go including the history of the supernatural on the Bible and the apocrypha.  Okay, now one question:  When I meditate, Mr. Smith, I see a different and unrelated scenes and objects and sometimes I even see someone I think is myself.  Now, how do I interpret these things, or are they more or less the previous things to come in meditation?

 

Tim:  Well, it sounds to me like a person who is not reaching a deep, deep level of meditation.  You go through many levels of consciousness and you have a superficial level that you go through where you have a hyperactivity of the mind, where you see visions from the past of imaginary things.  You could be reaching that level and not going beyond it.  If you are seeing someone that you recognize as yourself, but this person does not look like you, often this is a symbol that can be interpreted to mean your other self or you’re higher Self rather than your lower nature that is coming through to you.

 

Caller:  What do I do to get into deeper meditation?

 

Tim:  You have to work with it.  And it takes a person, truly, many years to become an adept at meditation, which is a relatively simple technique, but to really utilize it and get a lot out of it, it sometimes takes quite a bit of practice, will power and really sticking with it.

 

Caller:  I was wondering if the things I was feeling was something you could interpret the same way you do dreams?

 

Tim:  You might possibly, but I wouldn’t be sure of it, because you could be getting from any number of sources this information.  It could be out of your subconscious mind, for instance.

 

Caller:  Well, I wondered, too, if I was picking up distant scenes because I see scenes I’m not familiar with.

 

Tim:  Check them out.  I suggest that you check them out.  If they prove to be true, then go on the assumption that you are picking up things.

 

Caller:  All right.  Thank you.

 

Host:  Are you familiar with the book she was speaking of?

 

Tim:  I am not.  I’m very interested in it.  It might be a classic, and with that age line on it, quite valuable.

 

Host:  1863, that’s quite old.  Maybe she’d be interested in bringing it by your organization.

 

Tim:  I would like to see it.  The only book that I can say might be comparable to it would be Myers book called “Human Personality and its Bodily Survival of Death”.  This seems to be in the same vein or line of writing that she was speaking about.  But I would like to see hers.

 

Host:  Hello, there.  You’re on WRNG.

 

Caller:  Mr. Smith?

 

Tim:  Yes?

 

Caller:  When it comes to the occult and even ESP, to be more specific, I am complete skeptic, but I am interested enough in the thing for years.  I have gone to everybody who was available to me who was, or supposed, to be noted for authorities along those lines.  And when they started drifting off into the wild blue yonder with a lot of generalities, I’ve steered them back to specifics.  And I have, now this is years, I have received nothing but outright cop-outs.  And this includes Nordic Brew and New Delhi, India that I went to.  When I told them I didn’t want to get into the future, I wanted to make it more simple, I said I just wanted to ask them specific questions about myself that I knew the answer to but they didn’t.  They copped out completely.  They gave me four hundred generalities and nothing that I could put my finger on.  And this has been happening to me for years now.  I’m interested enough in the thing.  I’m just from Missouri.  I’m looking for somebody, somewhere, sometime to give me some specifics and not generalities on this thing.

 

Tim:  Well let me say this, that perhaps the people you have been in contact with were trying to show you their mediumistic talents or abilities were just not the right ones, because, ordinarily, if a person is in a trance state or if the person is highly gifted and clairvoyant, you do not have to ask them questions.  They tell you the questions that you have on your mind or the questions that you have written down to ask them before they ever, you know, it just comes out in the course of conversation or in the trance material that’s coming through to you.  This in itself is evidential.  This is the type of thing that we deal with.

 

Caller:  Well, I can take some of the better known ones.  I’m not talking about my guru in India.  Maybe he wasn’t any good.  I’m talking about these people who’ve become famous for it, like Jeanne Dixon.  She has a very poor batting average.

 

Tim:  That’s true.  That’s true.

 

Caller:  When you talk to her, (I’ve talked to her by telephone only) you get the same kind of cop-out.  She doesn’t want to get into specifics.  And most of the specifics that you find out about these people will tell you after the fact that they predicted some certain things.  They don’t tell you in advance and say, “Now, check me on this.”

 

Tim:  There are a lot of ridiculous things that go on in this working.  I’m well aware of it.  But I will say that there are a lot of famous people, famous psychics that I too have seen that have not impressed me with their ability.  And I wonder exactly how they acquired their hand.  I think if you continue to search diligently and with an open mind, if you are looking for truth, you will find it, one way or the other.

 

Caller:  Well, I tell you.  I’ve certainly given it every chance that there is.  I’ve gone to the people who are everybody I could hear about.  Because I was anxious to have somebody convince me of something.  Not a bunch of generalities.  I’m tired of those.  I want some specifics, some dates and places.

 

Tim:  Names.

 

Caller:  And names.  And I’ve yet to find anybody that can come close to it.  And I think the success of a lot of the people who are in this business is due mainly to the fact that the people who get intensely interested in it, some of them want to believe it so badly until they will stretch a point to take the generalities that they receive and tie it to something specific because they want to believe it so badly.

 

Host:  We have to move on.  Thank you for your call.  Tim, I too am probably like most human beings seeking truth and so forth.  How can you protect yourself, like this gentleman said?  You know mediums and so forth that sort of like a false security as far as he was concerned.

 

Tim:  You have to be seeking with an open contrite spirit, desirous of having the truth revealed to you first of all.  But you have to use your own discernment.  You have to look at this analytically to a certain extent, but not over-analyze the situation.  Mediumship and spiritualism has been given a very bad connotation from almost awakening as a proponent part of American history or even world history because of the different people working in this field.  Many of them were fraudulent and many of them were in it for their own personal gratification in different areas of whatever they needed at that time.  And you will find, I think if you will look at the organization or the surroundings of the medium that you were trying to get some information from, you will get a general idea.

 

For instance, most people who are working on a lower level of the psychic or of the spiritual, and most people who might lean toward fraudulence are usually dealing with a class of people that is easily recognizable in that they do want to accept so badly, that they do so in blind faith, rather than having this well-founded faith that I like to emphasize to the people that I work with.  You can look at the caliber of people to the professions of the different people there that are working with this organization and this group or this medium, to their education level and to the fact also, if you will look carefully you will see them analyze each thing that comes through to them.  And when they cannot find the place for it, they make an objection to that medium or to that control speaking through that medium saying, “I cannot understand thus and so,” so that they can have it clarified.  Because, speaking in obscurities and things like this is just not the true work of a good medium.

 

Host:  Your guest this afternoon, Mr. Tim Smith, a noted medium here in the Atlanta area.  You’re on WRNG Radio.

 

Caller:  Yes, sir.  I wanted to talk to Mr. Smith about something that happened to me and everyone’s been saying they want to get down to specifics and all this and all that and being skeptical, and this is going to be hard to believe because it’s hard for me to express except for the fact that I did see Jesus.  I know everybody says, “Sure.”  But it was really true and it was something that happened to me and people say they don’t believe it.  And all like this and very skeptical because they feel that it’s ignorant to try to believe, or to accept something that is unbelievable.  But I actually did see Jesus.

 

Tim:  Well, many people, particularly in the framework of Catholicism have visions where they see certain sainted people, or have seen the Blessed Mother or Jesus, but I would like to ask you one question, if you don’t mind.  How are you sure that it was Jesus?  I mean, how would you know exactly what He was supposed to look like?  Did His looks follow the general pattern of an artist’s conception or were you just told point blank, “This is Jesus.”

 

Caller:  No, no.  It was not anything like that.  I was trying to get up a hill.  I was by myself and was outside and it was muddy and I couldn’t get up and I saw His hand in front of me.  And He actually helped me up the hill.  And I don’t remember any facial features at all, and this is what kind of bothers me, I remember the hand.  I didn’t see a robe, I didn’t see the clothes, and I saw a glove.

 

Tim:  Yes.

 

Caller:  The figure, it was a figure.

 

Host:  Were you in imminent danger of falling and hurting yourself?

 

Caller:  No, but I had been through a really bad time in my life and I had just come to the realization that I was to blame for a lot of it.  So I was completely vulnerable at that point.

 

Tim:  Well, I’d like to say this to you that, of course, you’re entitled to your personal belief and if this is what you believe this form or this vision or apparition to be, then I’m glad for you.  But many people, I have found, seem to identify with certain characters, with certain people out of history or with certain saints or religious symbols, and they see these.  And often the case is that they are seeing their own spirit guide, their own guardian angel or another discarnate that perhaps is a light being, we call the very highly evolved ones light beings, and they come in great radiations of light.  And the average person that has never experienced this before, when they, when and if they do have the occasion to see one, they automatically assume that it is the Infinite Force, or Jesus the Christ, or something like this without any substantial evidence as to the identity of the character or the entity or the soul.

 

Host:  Okay, ma’am, we’re going to have to go.  As so often happens while I’m enjoying myself, Tim, time flies which is about ninety-nine percent of the time when I’m behind this mike.  I want to thank you most sincerely for coming by and I would hope that perhaps you would stop by again some time, maybe in a couple of months, and join us again on WRNG Radio.  I enjoyed it and I’m sure our listeners have, too.